In this “Face the Country” broadcast, moderated by means of Margaret Brennan:
- Reps. Mike Turner, Republican of Ohio, and Jim Himes, Democrat of Connecticut
- Area Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California
- Senate Majority Chief John Thune, Republican of South Dakota
- Tom Homan, President-elect Donald Trump’s border czar
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.
And this week on Face the Country: The country’s capital braces for the exceptional within the new 12 months amid rising threats to our country’s safety.
As Washington prepares to certify the 2024 presidential election, to bid a former farewell to the thirty ninth president, and make manner for the go back of the forty fifth, who turns into the forty seventh, to the Oval Place of job, unusual safety preparations are beneath manner, all this because the battle to make sense of the scary New Yr’s assault in New Orleans and incident in Las Vegas continues.
We will be able to take a seat down for a bipartisan dialog with the heads of the Area Intelligence Committee, Ohio’s Mike Turner and Connecticut’s Jim Himes.
On Capitol Hill, Speaker Mike Johnson’s activity is secure for now. And, within the Senate, Republicans take keep an eye on with a brand new chief, South Dakota’s John Thune. He is answerable for getting president-elect Trump’s bold time table in the course of the Senate.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Will you inform him while you suppose he is flawed?
SENATOR JOHN THUNE (R-South Dakota): I will be able to.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: On the best of Mr. Trump’s to-do checklist, what he guarantees would be the biggest mass deportation in U.S. historical past. We will be able to ask his border czar, Tom Homan, how he plans to execute that.
And, as we mark 4 years for the reason that January 6 assault at the Capitol…
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RIOTERS: Nancy! Nancy! Nancy!
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MARGARET BRENNAN: … former Area Speaker Nancy Pelosi will probably be right here to discuss the rising threats of political violence.
It is all simply forward on Face the Country.
Excellent morning, and welcome to Face the Country.
As we start the brand new 12 months, the primary few days of January are already proving and offering monumental demanding situations, each right here in Washington and across the nation, particularly when it comes to safety.
We start nowadays with Area Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Turner and Score Member Jim Himes, who joins us in a bipartisan style.
Thanks for doing so and for becoming a member of us nowadays.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER (R-Ohio): Thank you for having us.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, we’ve, Chairman, heightened safety at U.S. airports, on trains, army bases, this bulletin that went out just lately caution of possibly retaliatory assaults, copycat assaults from that New Orleans car-ramming incident.
How will have to American citizens perceive the danger setting we are in?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: Proper, proper.
Smartly, it is unquestionably very tough. And our center breaks as we bring to mind what took place simply after New Yr’s Eve and on New Yr’s Day. The – what we all know that the FBI director has stated is that we – we’re in a heightened threatened setting.
We see from, in fact, what took place in New Orleans, we’ve the specter of those that can also be lone wolves, the ones people who may well be, because the self- declared terrorist has indicated, impressed by means of ISIS, by means of terrorist threats. We even have those that – who’re right here who’ve come around the border that the director has stated are affiliated with terrorist teams or organizations outdoor of the rustic who wish to do American citizens hurt.
The ones folks nonetheless pose a danger to American citizens and to america. The director, the FBI, native legislation enforcement are proceeding to paintings to check out to search out them and check out to minimize the chance, however, unquestionably, right now, as we pass into the inauguration for Donald Trump, the place we also have state actors like Iran who – the place we’ve in custody people who have come right here with the mentioned goal to – to assassinate as part of a plot…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: … to had been speculated to perpetrate a plot to assassinate Donald Trump, we’ve plenty of actors that pose a possibility and a danger to American citizens.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Congressman Himes, ISIS has no longer claimed duty for this New Orleans attacker. He did pledge allegiance in those social media movies.
However Native land Safety, so far as we’ve heard from them, stated there is no linkage to the U.S. border. There is not any linkage established to a international actor at this level. Is that this simply an instance of any individual with psychological well being problems opting for violence?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES (D-Connecticut): Smartly – and I am satisfied you stated that, as a result of there used to be such a lot incorrect information proper out of the field, as a result of those assaults came about on the similar time. You recognize, there used to be all types of stuff on social media about how they had been coordinated and in combination…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Las Vegas.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: … and that the – Las Vegas with New Orleans.
You recognize, the New Orleans – Jabbar, the attacker there, obviously had himself affiliated with ISIS.
Now, what we want to know and what – to this point, there is not any proof that that is the case, however we want to know whether or not that specific used to be intentionally tasked. Once more, no proof that he used to be. And, in fact, we continuously see those lone wolf attackers who get radicalized, possibly on social media, possibly in another location.
And – and, , I might unquestionably accept as true with Mike’s characterization of the risk in the market, however simply upload that, as American citizens take into accounts the people who find themselves protective them – and I believe the chairman would accept as true with me in this – the folk and belongings that we submit in contrast danger are the most efficient on the planet.
Additionally it is true that lone wolf attackers, this is, a person who is no longer speaking with any person in another country, who is no longer sending texts or sending e- mails, are extremely tough to discover. And, , even though our individuals are the most efficient on the planet, this is laborious to search out.
And, by means of the way in which, there is a function for other folks. You recognize, in New York Town, should you pass at the subway, it says, should you see one thing, say one thing. And so there is a function for everyone in the market, , to assist attempt to clear up, to assist attempt to forestall most of these lone wolf assaults.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However, as one legit stated to me, this is not an issue you clear up with any other airplane service to the Center East. A few of these issues run deeper when it comes to the lone wolf part. That is the time period you have got used.
How do you diagnose and handle that, Chair Turner, if individuals are ready to be radicalized on-line, and whether or not it is political violence or simply any other type of home violent extremism?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: Smartly, at the factor of New Orleans, we – we do not know but whether or not or no longer he – he’ll evolve as – as the real lone wolf, the place he operated totally by myself.
As Jim is pronouncing, because the investigation unfolds, he himself indicated that he joined, as he claimed it, ISIS in the summertime. We do not know what that concerned. We do not know if it will prove that he used to be tasked. Excuse me. He – he went to New Orleans additionally in October.
There could have been alternatives or instances at which he may have been discovered and may have been avoided. We’re going to be informed what the ones are and techniques during which he would possibly had been – been discovered, and possibly we may have intervened.
However the ones will give U.S. better alternatives at which we will glance to how we may be able to one day to find others.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Now, we now have spoken to either one of you in this program, particularly, in regards to the heightened danger setting time and again. And again in June, when there used to be that arrest of the ones 8 males from Tajikistan who had been ISIS-linked. We spoke intensive about that.
Chair Turner, in a while after that, you stated in this program: “We have now terrorists which can be actively operating within america which can be a danger to American citizens.”
Are you aware if there are energetic terror cells in america at this time?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: Smartly, I believe the – the problem of cells – and also you and I had been speaking about that in the first place of the display.
Are there folks which can be affiliated with ISIS and terrorist teams and organizations that experience crossed the border which can be within america? Director Wray, FBI director, has stated so. We unquestionably have intelligence that claims so. I accept as true with his evaluation. I – Jim has additionally noticed it.
He is testified earlier than our committee publicly of that reality. The ones people are operating at the side of – with ISIS, with the purpose of harming American citizens. The director has stated it without delay.
MARGARET BRENNAN: They’re recognized to U.S. intelligence and legislation enforcement, is what you might be…
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REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: And we’re operating diligently to check out to take them down, to stop them from doing so.
And that is the reason why the director is publicly pronouncing such. And that is the reason what the brand new management goes to be passed, the truth that those people are right here, that we want to find them, we want to take away them, we want to deliver them to justice, and save you them from doing hurt to American citizens.
MARGARET BRENNAN: When we’ve spoken about this factor prior to now, you characterised specifically the arrest of the 8 as a luck tale, as a result of there used to be no plot performed. They had been disrupted.
Are the folks which can be of shock, do we all know the place they’re? On the subject of the ones 8, they’re – we all know they had been detained, and 5 of them had been in reality despatched again to Tajikistan.
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REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: You by no means know what you do not know. And so none folks unquestionably in positions of duty would ever say that there is no longer terrorists in america.
Now, I will be able to say what I stated earlier than, which is that we have got the easiest other folks and the easiest generation taking a look to root those other folks out and to find them. However let’s – if the query is, what will have to American citizens be scared of, what has killed American citizens since 9/11? It hasn’t been other folks sneaking around the border.
And that is the reason to not say that the border should not be protected.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: The border will have to be protected. However what has been killing American citizens? Whether or not it used to be Fortress Hood in 2009, I believe, whether or not it used to be the New York assaults that killed 8 other folks in 2017, what we simply unhappy – unfortunately, noticed in New Orleans, it is in reality American citizens who’re on this nation, in reality, in a odd selection of circumstances, servicepeople.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: That used to be the Fortress Hood assaults. That used to be what we noticed in New Orleans. That used to be – even though I do not – it does not appear to be shaping up as a terrorist assault, what we noticed in Las Vegas.
So, once more, that is laborious, proper? Why is that onerous? As a result of if you are on this nation, you could have constitutional rights, that means the FBI cannot say, with out a warrant, I need your Fb posts, I need your e-mails. That is what makes this very laborious.
And, once more, let’s take a look at what has in reality killed American citizens within the two decades. And, unfortunately, it’s been radicalized different American citizens. So this will get to the query of, what are the mechanisms through which they’re radicalized, and the way are we able to as a neighborhood ward off on that radicalism?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper, which is why I requested you. That is a tougher downside to resolve for.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: A lot tougher, as a result of you could have constitutional rights and since – , let me come up with an instance.
If any person is status out in the street nook at this time pronouncing ISIS is the best factor on the planet, and the president is a traitor, that – other folks would say, boy, we will have to interview that particular person. This is constitutionally safe speech.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: And I ponder how a few of my colleagues would reply to the theory, as a result of this person in New Orleans did submit some Fb posts pronouncing, I pledge allegiance to ISIS.
You recognize, what if we had that discuss? Must – will have to Fb have right away submitted that to the FBI? And, if this is the case, the place’s the road?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: If I say I am not a large fan of the following president, and I do not consider that he used to be, , no matter, will have to that pass to the FBI? It is a tricky dialog.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: Margaret, there is no query that – that that’s what we are seeing from New Orleans.
However the resolution for your query is, no, we do not know the place they’re. We do not know the place the individuals are that Director Wray has indicated…
MARGARET BRENNAN: The individuals who have exploited vulnerabilities on the southwest border.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: … that has come around the border, which can be terrorists affiliated with ISIS, that intend to do American hurt – American citizens hurt which can be right here in our nation, we have no idea the place they’re.
And a part of the paintings and a part of the explanation why he is elevating the alarm is, we want to to find them to offer protection to American citizens. Now, what Jim’s pronouncing is really proper. And that – that clearly, is the section that still breaks our center and makes what came about in New Orleans so laborious is, is that we had an American who used to be killing American citizens.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper, American-born Military vet.
I wish to ask you each about China as neatly. On the subject of conventional adversaries, they’re looming massive right here. We discovered simply prior to now few days that China hacked the U.S. Treasury Division. That is on best of the main cyber espionage towards 9 telecom corporations, towards hacking of U.S. infrastructure that incoming Nationwide Safety Adviser Mike Waltz stated used to be planting cyber time bombs in U.S. infrastructure.
How a lot of a trump card is that this? I imply, can the U.S. expel China from those techniques and get keep an eye on?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Smartly, so, I imply, let’s delivery with what we all know.
China has been completely predatory in with reference to each size. They have got stolen our I.P. – our I.P., our highbrow belongings. You recognize, they have manipulated the buying and selling device to hole out our commercial base, completely predatory.
And, by means of the way in which, I occur to consider – and it is going to be fascinating the chair – if the chairman is of the same opinion with me in this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: They consider they may be able to function within our networks with out outcome, and that should exchange right away.
They want to needless to say we are as just right at these things as they’re. And in the event that they get into our networks and delivery planting beacons or delivery planting landmines or no matter, we are going to do the similar to them, in order that we determine deterrence.
Now, you even have to recognize that China does and the U.S. do about $800 billion in industry backward and forward, proper? And should you snap your palms and make that pass away, you suppose COVID inflation used to be dangerous? Wait till you notice that. Through the way in which, they personal a thousand billion greenbacks of our Treasuries.
So, the purpose I am making here’s that I believe we want to be so much more difficult on them at the spaces during which they’re predatory towards us, at the same time as we acknowledge that there are spaces the place we want to tread very moderately, together with that financial interconnection.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I do know that we are going to have you ever each again to discuss precisely this downside.
I am out of time nowadays, however thanks each.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE TURNER: There should be penalties.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There – we can keep…
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: What he stated.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We will be able to keep tuned.
Face the Country will probably be again in a single minute. Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The next day marks 4 years for the reason that assault at the U.S. Capitol, and we spoke to then-Area Speaker Nancy Pelosi only a twinkling of an eye in the past this morning. She’s convalescing from a fall closing month.
And we started by means of asking her why she thinks such a lot of American citizens made up our minds that Donald Trump’s enhance for the rioters in 2020 will have to no longer disqualify him from a 2nd time period as president.
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REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI (D-California): I would not say that the American other folks dismissed this. They simply had a distinct view as to what used to be of their hobby, economically and the remainder.
So I do not – I do not name this a put out of your mind of January 6. I simply name it one thing that they noticed of their hobby economically.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Even simply closing evening at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump used to be screening a documentary in regards to the 2020 election, claiming his win and attempting to discuss the prison demanding situations he had. There appears to be a endured effort to assert that he gained in 2020.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: It is in reality unhappy. It in reality is gloomy.
And I do not know in regards to the movie that he had and the remainder, however it is – it is nearly in poor health that he could be considering that during 2020. He is gained the election now. That will probably be transparent. That will probably be transparent, and, the following day, he’ll be obviously – we can be accepting the result of the Electoral Faculty.
So he will have to be successful about that. However to be nonetheless looking to combat a combat that he – he is aware of he misplaced is – is in reality unhappy.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You recognize, the president-elect has stated that, within the first 9 mins of his new time period, he’ll pardon lots of those that participated in January 6. He stated he’s going to have a look at it on a case-by-case foundation.
However in taking a look again at what came about 4 years in the past, there are recordings, there is video proof of what came about. That is private for you, a few of these rioters to your administrative center, chanting your title.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: Sure. Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: One in all them, probably the most defendants: “We had been on the lookout for Nancy to shoot her within the frigging mind, however we did not to find her.”
For you, that is private. So, while you pay attention about pardons, do you suppose the nonviolent attackers need to be pardoned?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: The nonviolent – I believe that is a violent attacker, with the purpose…
MARGARET BRENNAN: The violence itself.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The violent language, you suppose…
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: The violent language, sure, the purpose, and, in fact, the purpose to assault the vp of america.
Now, it did not finish that day. As , he known as out to those other folks to proceed their violence, my husband being a sufferer of all of that. And it nonetheless – he nonetheless has accidents from that assault. So it simply is going on and on. It’s not one thing that occurs after which it is over.
No, as soon as you’re attacked, you could have penalties that proceed. So I do not – it is in reality a abnormal particular person who is going to be president of america who thinks that it is OK to pardon individuals who had been engaged in an assault.
However let’s – , let’s do that. Let’s simply say OK to the American other folks. That is what that is about. Don’t be conned by means of the denial of the election of 2020. And why would he be pronouncing that? However he – however he’s, after which, on best of that, the denial of what came about on January 6.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However one of the vital 1,600 defendants right here had been in reality best charged with trespassing. And while you have a look at the profiles, College of Chicago did a learn about. About part of those that broke into the Capitol had been white-collar employees. They had been small industry house owners, did not essentially have a felony document.
While you have a look at that profile, you stated purpose. It – it used to be the purpose itself, you suppose, that must be thought to be extra so than the crime, that – that it casts the crime itself of trespassing in a distinct mild for you?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: Smartly, the president stated he would pass on a case-by-case foundation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: So I guess that – that a few of the ones other folks won’t have engaged within the violent actions that one of the vital others did.
Glance, at this pretty Capitol, the dome constructed by means of Lincoln, beneath Lincoln’s management right through the Civil Struggle, they stated, do not construct the dome. It takes an excessive amount of metal and particular person energy, manpower, they stated, from the conflict effort. And he stated, no, I’ve to turn the resilience of The usa.
After which beneath that dome, you noticed – you noticed flags, the flags that – , simply terrible flags beneath the dome of Lincoln. And so it used to be a tragedy, and we can’t be in denial about what it used to be.
If the president goes to head on a case-by-case foundation, I am hoping he does, after which possibly…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Trespassers, you might be pleased with pardoning?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: Smartly, simply will depend on how they outline what this is.
However the – however I do know that a few of that encouragement after which the follow- up that – that such a lot of other folks had been threatened, together with me and – and to my house, on the lookout for me, and discovering my husband, and, as I say, who nonetheless suffers from head accidents from – on that day.
So, these items do not simply occur and pass away in case you have a head damage.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: However, anyway, to – to – to look the danger to such a lot of other folks in non-obligatory administrative center, now, going past me, however such a lot of other folks in non-obligatory administrative center, it should not be a danger for your circle of relatives that you’ve got selected to do public provider.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You wrote to your e-book about that 2022 assault for your husband, and also you stated your daughter advised you, if she had recognized what you had been signing up for, she would by no means have given you her blessing to run for administrative center within the first position.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you suppose that this danger of home violent extremism is having a chilling impact on new skill and – and any individual working for administrative center?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: Smartly, I unquestionably hope no longer.
However, through the years, when I used to be encouraging other folks to run for administrative center, particularly ladies, they might say, lets by no means take the abuse that you are taking. And that used to be in reality simply abuse. It wasn’t bodily, it used to be grievance and the remainder of that, and that we do not want our kids subjected to that.
And, sure, I do suppose it is going to have a destructive have an effect on on other folks working for public administrative center. Simply – , in different phrases, if you are – if you are a mother, they usually pass after you as a – as a mother, and your kid comes house crying from faculty as a result of any person stated a destructive factor as a result of they noticed it on TV, that the opposite facet stated one thing dangerous about you, you may no longer run for administrative center.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So that you suppose it is going to discourage specifically ladies…
NANCY PELOSI: In particular ladies.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … from working?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: Sure, I do.
I imply, I do know that it has. However I am hoping that it is going to no longer, that we can have – shine a vibrant mild in this and simply say, that is unacceptable. That is unacceptable. See, for ladies, they all the time – they all the time – ladies are recognized to be extra, let’s assume, moral than males. And so, after they pass after ladies applicants, they pass after their ethics.
And they’re going to say this, that and the opposite factor. After which the kid comes house from faculty crying as a result of any person stated a nasty factor about mother on TV. And no person – no person desires that. So, expectantly, the intense mild shining on that can cut back – cut back that.
However I believe that girls have a – confirmed that they’re – are extra moral, and that they – they’re – neatly, possibly they are no longer extra moral, they are all moral, however that they may be able to then face up to that grievance.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to FACE THE NATION.
Republicans have complete keep an eye on of Congress, even supposing their majority is small in each chambers. We sat down Friday with the brand new Senate chief, John Thune, and requested if the ones slim margins would hamstring the get together when it got here to creating primary coverage adjustments.
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SENATOR JOHN THUNE (R-SD): It is all the time difficult, and particularly within the – on this present political setting. We do not all the time agree on (ph) Republicans inside the circle of relatives. However I believe –
MARGARET BRENNAN: In particular amongst Republicans.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: However why – however I believe relating to the massive problems, securing the border, rebuilding the army, strengthening the financial system, , producing power dominance for this nation, the ones are all issues on which we agree.
With appreciate to even slim margins, I believe we are going to have a – expectantly an overly unified effort relating to the ones core problems. We’re going to disagree at the margins, and the method and all that type of factor. However relating to the issues we want to get completed, the ones are all issues I believe we agree on.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You may have had disagreements with Donald Trump prior to now. As a part of this advise and consent function –
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The function of the Senate, will you inform him while you suppose he is flawed?
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: I will be able to. And I believe my activity is to do the whole thing I will to assist him succeed in luck, be a a hit president, which, personally, approach it is going to be a a hit nation. We have now the similar set of targets. We wish to get to the similar vacation spot. However I believe from time to time there will probably be variations in how we get there. And working out the original facets of the way the Senate operates is one thing that I will have in an effort to percentage and produce to the president and – and assist him perceive, I believe, what the – , what the contours are, what we will be able to accomplish right here within the Senate and what is sensible.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You will have a 53-seat majority over right here, this means that you’ll be able to best lose 3 votes. If Democrats stay unified of their opposition to a few of Mr. Trump’s selections for his cupboard, do you are expecting all of them to make it via?
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: What I promised is an even procedure for they all. On the subject of his selections, and I might say this of any president, they deserve numerous latitude. His selections are going to return via a procedure the place in the event that they get reported out of the committee, come around the ground of the Senate, we will be sure that they get the – the vote. And I believe that – I believe numerous them gets via. And – and we will see about they all continues to be noticed. However I believe that is why we’ve the method, adhere to that procedure, and provides all of those nominees a possibility to make their cay.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You may have stated you must see if Democrats play ball or no longer. However you don’t want Democrats to get those via. So, does that imply you know a few of your Republican senators may not vote to verify Kash Patel on the FBI or Pete Hegseth on the pentagon?
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: We should not have, at this level, I do not believe, readability on that. I believe those are nominees who’re new sufficient, they have been going round and undertaking their conferences, which I believe, frankly, have long gone rather well. However they nonetheless need to make their case in entrance of – of the committee.
And, , we do not know the entire details about a few of these nominees. I believe we all know so much about them. However they deserve an even procedure.
We have now a three-vote margin within the Senate, as you indicate, however I do suppose that normally a minimum of, maximum of our Republican senators are susceptible to provide the president the folk that he desires in those positions, given, , the method that they undergo and whether or not or no longer they may be able to set up the committee procedure and be sure that they get to the ground for a vote.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Does that come with FBI background assessments? I do know regularly the rating participants get them on Armed Services and products, as an example, however a few of your colleagues, they wish to see Pete Hegseth’s FBI background test earlier than they vote.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Proper. And I believe that is going to be decided in large part by means of the committee chairs. I believe there will probably be an hobby, clearly –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Would you inspire that?
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Smartly, positive. I imply I believe that you need to have as a lot background as imaginable and that’s to be had to the committees as they make their selections. I’ve a prime stage of self belief in our chairs that they are going to be sure that as participants of the committee and of the entire Senate have a possibility to believe those nominees, that they have got acquired all the data to be had to them that they will have to have.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to ask you what you want to get completed coverage smart as neatly when it comes to offering the president with the investment to execute on a few of his giant objectives.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You may have stated you will pass out of the gate with a generational funding in border safety and immigration enforcement. You will cross it on 51 get together line votes. If you wish to govern via common order, why undergo this in a get together line route?
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Smartly, it is a type of problems that has develop into extremely divisive for the rustic. And there are not very many of us left within the center. Reconciliation allows us – it does not come alongside very regularly the place you could have unified keep an eye on of the federal government. In numerous circumstances it does not closing very lengthy. It is a few years.
The Democrats supplied a template within the closing couple of years for methods to extend the scope of what is to be had to get completed in the course of the reconciliation procedure. It is the best procedure within the Senate that allows you to enact regulation with a 51-vote threshold versus 60.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. Proper.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: And so, immigration, the border –
MARGARET BRENNAN: However it is out of the gate pronouncing, we are not going to paintings with Democrats.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Smartly, I am not pronouncing what – they got here out of the gate. They’d their first reconciliation invoice completed in 4 weeks popping out – after they acquired the bulk.
MARGARET BRENNAN: $2 trillion.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Smartly, they usually spent –
MARGARET BRENNAN: With the Covid invoice. And also you did not find it irresistible.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: $2 trillion after which – then any other – any other trillion with the IRA.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You faulted them for the use of reconciliation. Precisely.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: It will be perfect if lets determine a option to do issues on the 60-vote threshold. And there are a variety of items we can. We predict {that a} generational funding within the border is vital given the place we’re after the closing 4 years of a – what I believe is an overly failed Biden/Harris border coverage.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There are 1.4 million other folks right here with deportation orders.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Orders of elimination towards them. I have noticed numbers that put the price of expelling them at between $80 to $100 billion once a year. Are you able to get that more or less cash within the first hundred days?
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: What we are looking to do is get an evaluation from the people who find themselves going to be in position. They are going to be imposing numerous the president’s insurance policies relating to the border to decide what that – that useful resource allocation goes to wish – want to be.
MARGARET BRENNAN: They do not know but.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Smartly, I believe that what we do know is we want bodily obstacles, we want technological obstacles, we want extra ICE brokers, we want extra Border Patrol brokers and – and, sure, we are going to want techniques of deporting other folks which can be on that – on that checklist that you just discussed. And so, it will take some sources to try this, which is why I might argue that once the president takes administrative center, and he’ll do numerous issues at the border by means of govt order, by means of govt motion, that we are going to want in an effort to give you the sources to ensure that him to try this. And that is the reason why I have instructed that we take that border factor on in an instant and permit him to do the issues that he must do.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is it true you will put some protection spending in that as neatly?
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Smartly, I believe probably the most issues that we all the time argue about round here’s the amount of cash that we want to spend on protection. Should you have a look at each Biden management funds, there wasn’t a unmarried one in all them when it got here to army spending that got here up – saved up even with inflation. So, we’ve an army readiness on this nation. You recognize, we’ve the protection fee technique staff that comes out with a record at all times and tells us we’re dramatically underfunded relative to nations like China and that we should not have the capability –
MARGARET BRENNAN: The ones will have to be bipartisan problems, proper? So –
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Smartly, and we should not have the capability and capacity to do what must be completed to offer protection to the rustic. There is a giant distinction in delta within the two events and the way they manner the problem of protection and, , and armed forces readiness. And I believe we’re dramatically underfunding our army nowadays. I believe the president believes that, President Trump. And I believe numerous our Republican colleagues within the Area and the Senate percentage that view.
So, are we able to do that via reconciliation? We are clearly taking a look at our choices.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to be certain I ask you in regards to the different giant promise you made when it comes to handing over on tax reform and reconciliation.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The estimates are it would upload $4 trillion over the following decade. Is that in reality one thing you suppose goes to cross on a party-line vote and with none income or spending cuts?
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Smartly, they are –
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’ll be able to’t be comfy.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Those are tax rules that can expire on the finish of this 12 months if Congress does not take motion to increase them. And it might constitute a $4 trillion tax build up at the American other folks if we do not lengthen that coverage.
We are going to have an overly powerful dialog about tax reform. There is a lot using on it economically. I believe regulatory coverage, tax coverage, power coverage are going to be in reality very important to the power of our financial system, how briskly we will be able to develop and extend and writer higher paying jobs on this nation.
So, I am a large believer in pro-growth tax coverage. I consider you get numerous that again via progress in more income. Each 1 % –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Now not price lists, as Mr. Trump has promised?
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: Smartly – neatly, that is – that is a distinct matter. However I might say each 1 % build up in – in GDP, in financial progress, we are advised, generates about $3 trillion in more tax income. So, you will get some again when it comes to a progress dividend. And there will probably be spending cuts. There is not any query about it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However going out of the gate with two giant problems on party- line votes, are not you involved that can blow up your probabilities at operating with Democrats on a few of the ones larger immigration problems, or larger insurance policies?
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: We want to proceed to paintings on the ones giant coverage problems. However I additionally suppose that we have got some fast issues, issues that want to be addressed. One in all which is nationwide safety, given the more and more unhealthy international during which we are living. And, in fact, I might argue, that begins with the border. So, border, nationwide safety. I believe power coverage, power dominance, is a big goal and function. And I might hope {that a} reconciliation invoice may additionally cope with that factor. If we do one thing on taxes, that historically has been prior to now. The Democrats did it two times whilst that they had the bulk within the closing consultation of the Congress.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Trump did that during 2017, too, with taxes.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE: And that is the reason – and each side have completed it. And that is the reason the original facet of getting unified keep an eye on of the federal government. However I believe the ones are all vital and they’re issues that, as a rustic, if we do not get proper, I concern what the effects and the result will probably be.
And, sure, it might be perfect if you have to do it bipartisan. I am hoping that there are some Democrats who would vote for one of the vital tax insurance policies that we have got, however I am not – I am not anticipating that at the present time.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: You’ll be able to see the entire interview on our web page and YouTube channel.
We’re going to be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: President-elect Trump has promised to seal the southern border, the place unlawful crossings at the moment are at a four-year low. CBS Information immigrations and politics reporter Camilo Montoya-Galvez has extra from each side of the U.S./Mexico border.
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MAN: This has been a confirmed deterrent.
CAMILO MONTOYA-GALVEZ (voice over): Alongside the U.S./Mexico border, our drone captured a gaggle of migrant, together with small children, attempting to go into the rustic illegally. However they had been not able to get previous a razor twine arrange by means of the state of Texas.
CAMILO MONTOYA-GALVEZ: Some other folks might have a look at this and say, this seems like a conflict zone.
MAN: The strategy at the back of all this optic is doing what it simply did at this time. It prevents them from coming over illegally.
CAMILO MONTOYA-GALVEZ (voice over): Texas credit its competitive efforts for the present four-year low in unlawful border crossings. The Biden management attributes that drop to asylum restrictions, Mexico’s efforts to forestall migrants, and a telephone app referred to as CBP-1 that permits as much as 1,500 other folks according to day to time table prison crossings.
However on thee Mexican facet of the border, we discovered a bottleneck of other folks determined to go into the U.S., expecting the appointments beneath the app. President-elect Trump has vowed to close down the app, extend borderer restrictions, and behavior mass deportations..
CAMILO MONTOYA-GALVEZ: Right here on this meals pantry in Tatijana, Mexico, migrants from throughout Latin American can get meals, water, elementary prerequisites, clothes, and prison products and services. However now the fear is that the incoming Trump management may derail their plans to make it into the U.S.
CAMILO MONTOYA-GALVEZ (voice over): Meals pantry director Christina Coranato (ph) worries Trump’s plan to close down the app may backfire, prompting extra migrants to pass into the U.S. illegally.
WOMAN: (Talking in international language).
CAMILO MONTOYA-GALVEZ: There may be numerous uncertainty.
WOMAN: (talking in international language).
CAMILO MONTOYA-GALVEZ: Nervousness too.
CAMILO MONTOYA-GALVEZ (voice over): Haitian migrant Migueleli Nelson (ph) makes use of CBP-1 each morning hoping to get her daughter a golden price tag into the U.S.
CAMILO MONTOYA-GALVEZ: The whole lot you might be doing now could be on your daughter to have a greater long run.
WOMAN: (Talking in international language).
CAMILO MONTOYA-GALVEZ: Sure.
That is all you need.
CAMILO MONTOYA-GALVEZ (voice over): Whether or not that long run will probably be within the U.S. continues to be to be decided.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That is our Camilo Montoya-Galvez reporting.
We pass now to Tom Homan. He’s going to function Mr. Trump’s border czar. And he joins us this morning from Naples, Florida.
Excellent morning to you, sir.
TOM HOMAN (Incoming Trump Management Border Czar): Excellent morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Deportations at the moment are at a decade prime. They had been on the finish of 2024. Just about 300,000 other folks deported by means of the Biden management.
The incoming management has promised the most important deportation operation in historical past. What is the quantity? What is the measure of luck?
TOM HOMAN: Smartly, let’s speak about this management, what they declare is a big deportation quantity this 12 months. In reality, should you drill into the numbers, about 80 % of the ones numbers are in reality Border Patrol arrests that the enforcement (INAUDIBLE) operation of ICE processed and moved again around the border. They were not (INAUDIBLE) enforcement arrest.
Should you have a look at the ancient selection of unlawful entries the closing 4 years, ICE, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, has the bottom selection of deportations within the historical past of the company. So, they are enjoying a numbers sport, similar to they performed a numbers sport with plenty of other folks coming throughout to frame.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
TOM HOMAN: So, despite the fact that they declare they have acquired the best possible selection of deportations, have a look at the ones deportations, who in reality made the ones arrests, who in reality got rid of the ones other folks, it is not ICE.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. It is nonetheless a better quantity than the Trump management. However I wish to ask you, for the source of revenue Trump management, what is – what is the measure? It isn’t deportations on the border. You are pronouncing you’re going to measure luck by means of people who find themselves already inner within the nation to deport. That is how you will measure it. And what is that determine?
TOM HOMAN: Smartly, once more, let’s get the numbers directly. You are saying they had been upper than the Trump management. This is not about what number of acquired deported as a result of Trump had unlawful border crossings at a 45-year low. So, in fact elimination goes to be decrease. The numbers, what number of had been launched into america that – that don’t seem to be within the nation legally? Beneath the Biden management we’ve tens of millions of other folks launched in america who’ve misplaced their hearings and we now have acquired tens of millions of people who are, , launched in america in spite of a statute pronouncing that you can not be launched in america with out right kind documentation and also you can be detained. So, you’ll be able to examine the numbers of deportations beneath Trump as opposed to Biden, however while you believe a 45-year low in crossings, in fact the selection of deportations goes to be decrease as a result of we should not have that inhabitants to procedure and deport.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. Smartly, I am excellent to measure luck going ahead.
For day one, are you able to assist us perceive what the plan is?
You recognize, plenty of industries on this nation rent undocumented employees as a result of they’re affordable exertions. On day one, are you going to re-start raids on paintings websites, on development websites?
TOM HOMAN: The – President Trump’s been transparent, as I have been transparent from day one, that the president goes to be aware of public protection threats and nationwide safety threats. And as you heard out of your earlier segments, we’ve an enormous nationwide safety factor on this nation. The southwest border has develop into the largest nationwide safety vulnerability we now have noticed on this country. FBI Director Wray is of the same opinion with me. We all know there is other folks on this nation pose a countrywide safety danger. They have got arrested a document selection of other folks at the terrorist watch checklist. A three,500 % build up in other folks at the terrorist watch checklist being arrested on the border.
We now have acquired over 2 million recognized got-aways. We all know 2 million other folks crossed the border, were not arrested, were not vetted, were not fingerprints.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
TOM HOMAN: So, you have to ask your self, why did 2 million other folks pay extra to break out. Why did not they pay much less, flip themselves into Border Patrol, get a unfastened airline price tag to the town in their selection –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
TOM HOMAN: Get a unfastened lodge room, get 3 foods an afternoon, get unfastened hospital therapy. Why did 2 million other folks pay extra to break out.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure. I am not disputing that this is a hemisphere-wide disaster. We are speaking about how you will handle it. That is why I am asking you, while you say “criminals,” does that imply you’re going to pass into already-existing prisons, at native stage, and deport people who find themselves in the ones prisons? Are you going to visit workforces? I imply, how are you aware the place the criminals are I assume is the query? And if they are operating at a piece website online, are you going to turn as much as wonder them?
TOM HOMAN: Smartly, glance, we all know the place numerous the criminals are. ICE does – they are nice at this paintings. We all know the place some are, however they just have not been ready to head arrest them on account of Secretary Mayorkas’ priorities, it handcuffed ICE. So, we all know the place numerous criminals are. They have got been avoided from arresting them. We are going to arrest beginning day one.
So far as being in jails and prisons, we would like to paintings in native jails, however sanctuary towns may not permit us into the ones jails. It is a lot more uncomplicated to arrest a public protection danger and the security and safety of public prison than out on the street since the officer is after that manner, the alien is more secure that manner, the neighborhood is more secure that manner. However sanctuary towns who proceed to unlock public protection threats again into the neighborhood –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
TOM HOMAN: To the immigrant neighborhood, that places that neighborhood at better possibility of crime.
And this is what is going to occur. After we pass to the neighborhood and to find that particular person, to find that felony alien –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
TOM HOMAN: He is most certainly going to be with others, others who we will need to arrest. So, it is not secure for the neighborhood, no longer secure for the officials, no longer secure for anyone.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
TOM HOMAN: Allow us to arrest the dangerous man within the prison mobile the place you selected to arrest any person and put him in a prison mobile as a result of clearly, he is a public protection danger.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. While you simply stated in there, it sounds such as you had been speaking about collateral arrests. So, you will goal other folks are criminals. But when they occur to be residing in a area the place there are different undocumented other folks, you will sweep them up, too. That is what I believe you had been simply pronouncing there.
I ponder how you will parse out a few of the ones collateral arrests. As an example, will dreamers be safe? Donald Trump has stated he desires to paintings with Democrats to offer protection to them and provides them standing. That takes a very long time in Congress. What do you do within the period in-between? How do you’re making positive they are no longer stuck up in drag web?
TOM HOMAN: Glance, each particular person ICE arrests, they do what they name a fugitive operation spreadsheet. They know precisely who they will arrest, they know precisely the place they are most certainly prone to to find him, and they’ve numerous data on that arrest. Other folks which can be there that can be unlawful, they’re going to deal with them by means of a case-by-case foundation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
TOM HOMAN: The focus – I wish to be transparent on some public protection threats, if we – extra brokers within the jails approach much less brokers in the community. That is why I am pleading with sanctuary towns, allow us to into the prison to arrest the dangerous man, that manner you might be no longer forcing into the neighborhood. So, , should you pass to an immigrant neighborhood and ask them, would you somewhat have ICE working to your native jails or would you need them in the neighborhood, what do you suppose they will say? They do not – they do not want dangerous – dangerous felony extraterrestrial beings of their neighborhoods, both.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
TOM HOMAN: So, allow us to paintings with the jails. Allow us to paintings with legislation enforcement. Sanctuary towns don’t seem to be secure for the immigrant neighborhood, they are no longer secure for our officials.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. So, that is like Protected Communities Act more or less – more or less motion. However then the place do you ship other folks? As a result of a few of these nations, like Venezuela, do not settle for deportations at this time. Mexico’s president indicated her nation may well be keen to obtain non-Mexican migrants who’re deported. How does that paintings? Does the U.S. pay Mexico to then send the ones other folks off in other places?
TOM HOMAN: Smartly, to start with, we now have acquired President Trump getting into the Oval Place of job and he is confirmed, right through his first management, his management on unlawful immigration used to be a sport changer as a result of, for example, El Salvador would not take again MS-13 participants when I used to be the ICE director. It took President Trump 48 hours to get El Salvador to take again their felony extraterrestrial beings into their prisons. And Mexico did not wish to do the stay in Mexico program, however President Trump used to be ready to get stay in Mexico established in Mexico. He used to be ready to get Mexico to position army on their southern and northerly border. President Trump’s a robust president.
This management has no longer pressured those nations to take them again. And we’ve what we name a 3rd save (ph) nations. We have already got nations speaking about taking again other folks from different nations if – if, for example, Venezuela do not wish to take their other folks again, there is others techniques we will be able to do it. There may be different nations that will probably be keen to simply accept them. We are hoping that President Trump will paintings with Venezuela, like he did with Mexico and El Salvador and get those nations to take them again. If they do not, they are nonetheless going to be deported, they are simply going to be deported to another nation.
We now have no longer going to be held up by means of getting rid of public protection threats on this nation. We now have acquired to position – we now have acquired to position the protection of the American other folks first.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
TOM HOMAN: We now have acquired too many younger ladies murdered and raped and burn alive by means of participants of Venezuelan gangs.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
TOM HOMAN: They want to be a concern beneath this management. And they will be a concern beginning day one. And they’re going to be deported.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We will be able to keep tuned for the main points.
Border czar Tom Homan, thanks on your time.
We’re going to be again in a second.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The previous day marked the start of a chain of public remembrances for former President Jimmy Carter, who died closing Sunday on the age of 100.
Mark Strassman stories.
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MARK STRASSMAN (voice over): A second lengthy within the making for individuals who served for goodbye. Jimmy Carter’s Secret Carrier element, provide and previous, escorting his casket to the presidential hearse.
WOMAN: Plains is a vacationer the town, and President Carter is our favourite son. He has molded this the town.
MARK STRASSMAN: That is the top of an technology right here in Plains. Jimmy Carter used to be their pal, their neighbor, this small neighborhood’s identification.
MAN: He used to be the whole thing that The usa will have to had been. And he in reality intended so much to the folk round right here.
MARK STRASSMAN (voice over): Out of doors his boyhood farm, a bell tolled 39 instances, saluting The usa’s thirty ninth president.
On the Carter Presidential Middle in Atlanta, Marines carried within the casket. Jimmy Carter will lie in repose via Tuesday morning. 5 extra days of remembrances will honor a former president and globe-trotting humanitarian.
MAN: He used to be held up and propped up and soothed by means of a terrific lady. And the 2 of them in combination modified the arena.
MARK STRASSMAN (voice over): Beginning Tuesday morning, The usa’s ultimate salute will shift to Washington, D.C., for 2 days of remembrance.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That used to be our Mark Strassman reporting.
You should definitely music into CBS Information for our protection of The usa’s farewell to Jimmy Carter. On Tuesday, the previous president will lie in state on the U.S. Capitol, and on Thursday, the state funeral on the Nationwide Cathedral.
We’re going to be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That is it for us nowadays. Thanks concerned about observing. Till subsequent week. For FACE THE NATION, I am Margaret Brennan.
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